Ep 21: Annabelle, daddy issues and 17 tangents later

Buckle up, because this week we’re tackling the doll, the myth, and the terrifying red yarn: Annabelle. But before we get to the "demon in a dress," we have some personal demons to exorcise first.

In our most tangent-filled episode yet, we’re diving into the real-life Raggedy Ann doll that allegedly terrorised a pair of nursing students and eventually ended up in the Warrens' Occult Museum. We break down the "true" story that inspired The Conjuring universe, while also taking a hard look at the controversial legacy of Ed and Lorraine Warren.

Between the paranormal activity and the serious allegations surrounding the Warrens, we somehow find time to bond over our own childhood trauma and some truly "special" stories about our dad. It’s a mix of high-stakes haunting and the kind of family venting that only a true crime podcast can provide.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Are we on? Are we on? This is the name of our Spidey Song. I don't even know. I've watched too much Spider-Man today. Oh, we we actually watched Spider-Man as well today. It's not even the movie, it's the Spidey and his amazing friends. Oh yeah, that's been on all morning. And then I was like, I'm not watching that anymore. So I put on the first Spider-Man, the amazing Spider-Man from like 2002.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

And Zoe found it absolutely hilarious when Spider-Man swung and then hit a wall. He was laughing and then he went, That's the funniest film I have ever seen. Well on that note, everyone. Hi guys. Hello. Welcome to the Cold Spot Confessions Podcast. I've got why can I The Cold Spot Confessions Podcast? It's the Cold Spot Confessions podcast. Yes, it is. Why am I trying to speak more British? I don't know, you already are. Anyway, this is episode 21. And 21. I would love to know if anyone's actually been listening from day one that isn't our mum. Probably not. How many people don't listen to episode one? Just purely for the fact of how bad the audio is. I know. I didn't even listen to episode one because of how bad the audio was. Yeah, we have had comments on it. We know, okay, we changed it. Yeah, if you if you went on to the next episode, you'd you'd know. Yeah. So yeah, it did get improved, and then it's been improving since, I think. So I hope so. Anyway, guys, episode 21, we are covering Annabelle. Since last week we decided to go off topic very drastically on conspiracy theories and stuff. Oh, one last conspiracy theory. Okay. Same. It's just because it came up the other day and I had to tell you about it. That they found, um, they've uncovered an like an Egyptian uh what's it called? Sarcophagus. Yeah, sarcophagus that has alien inscription on the front and it has a picture of a fucking spaceship and then beams coming down.

unknown 2:05

What?

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Yeah, and like and a like almost like a drawing of an alien on the front of this sarcophagus. That's cool. Yeah. That's pretty. It's very cool. So who knows? Hmm. Coming next. There was there was one that I was actually meant to have, yes. That noised. When I was gonna talk to you about when we filmed last week, there was a literally what I said to you, remind me to tell you. Um they You asked me to remind you I know. I was like, remember remind me to tell you, but when we start filming, because I need to tell you this and I don't want to tell you when we're not filming. Um there was an experiment going on. I can't remember when it was, but like I I want to say 70s, because that's when a load of random shit started happening. Let's go with 70s. Um they thought, let's just do a an experiment here of underground villages, towns. Oh I seen something on I didn't. I think I sent it, I might have sent it to you. I was gonna open it up and I was like, that looks fun, and then I got distracted. So Yeah. An underground town. So they have like movie theatres, they have everything they need. And they wanted to open it up for the public and be like, right, you know, you can buy a house here and this is where you're gonna live. And a lot of people were like, hmm, don't really want to live underground, because they're like, this is what's gonna happen. Um, the world's gonna end at some point, and this is this is where we're gonna where we're gonna live, we're all gonna live underground. And a lot of people were like, not not gonna do this. A couple of families did, but the majority of people are like, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. So what they done is they took a bunch of kids from an orphanage.

SPEAKER_01 3:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

They moved them into the town and raised them in that town under the impression that the world has already ended. And this was where they lived. So they were all at an age where they don't remember the outside world, so they're all like really young, easily manipulated. The world's already ended, this is where you've always lived, this is where you'll live forever. They had no idea. They were living in here for years, they even had their own families and stuff like that. Years, and I think they just forgot about them. And then yeah, and then it then it was discovered that these people were living underground.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

I feel like we need a podcast on this.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

But yeah, some weird social experiment. Well, if you want to watch something about that, um what's it called? Paradise. Why do I want it? Why why do I think that's not correct? But I think it is called something like that. It's on our TV, and it's all about or is it Disney? It was on Disney, and it's all about um the world ending, and then there's people who live underground, but then they have like a fake fake source of light, like which is like a fake sun, um, and they have like a whole entire sub suburb town. That this is that's probably what it's based off because it was they had like cars, they had streetlights, they had all this stuff. It's very good. Yeah. Anyway, should we do a d oh we haven't even no, we're not even gonna do a poltigeist now because we've already spoken about all of our crap. Yeah, my poltigeist was only gonna be the fact that I steam cleaned my bathroom and I'm very happy with it because it no longer smells of pee. That's how fun our lives are. Yeah. I didn't even think I have one because I m my one's basically the same as last week, so I mean you steam cleaned your bathroom this week, so I did. I steamed my toilet, and now it's very white. Yeah.

unknown 5:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

It won't stay that very long. It won't stay that way very long having so many boys living in this house. It's ridiculous. Nothing stays clean. Anywho, shall we dime into Annabelle? We shall. So we are covering Annabelle, and Vicky has done more notes than I have on this one, so she is gonna take lead today. So this is all about Oh, and by the way, I'm in an annoying mood. I can tell. So who knows how much information's gonna come up? This is all about the creepy ass doll that we all know as Annabelle, and not the one from the film with the porcelain face, because yes, she's creepy as hell, but that's not the original doll. Yeah, they should have done. That thing is creepy as fuck. Yeah. I remember like when I first heard about Annabelle before I think it was before the film came out, I was like, I heard about her and I was like, I'm gonna do a little bit of research. And I saw it and I was like, that is a fucking creepy ass doll.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

And I almost I think I had nightmares about that doll after. But anyway, this story was apparently told to the Warrens, who we will talk about after.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Um, it was a first-hand story from the people who Annabelle came from. Okay, so they told their story to the Warrens, the Warrens told it to the world. So Annabelle was a massive doll. She was the size of a four-year-old. Like a four-year-old child. That's how big she is. Why would you even buy one of those things? Well, she was a Ray Diane doll, which was a famous character due to ex what the hell have I written? Two seconds. I need to stop moving on the chair as well, because I'm just not focusing. I've got a swivel chair and I haven't been sat on a swivel chair in a while. Because I'm moving, I have sold all of my furniture. So we're sat on So we sat on swivel chairs in my kitchen. And if you have seen my laptop setup, you'll be very impressed. You know what? I'm taking a picture for Instagram, and I am gonna put it on because it is pretty impressive. Yeah. There we go, I took a picture, and you can even see the sound waves from our voices. Oh. So it was a ragny and doll, which was a famous character due to its appearance in several books written by the American writer Johnny Groovelle. It was I'm presuming that's how you spell the last how you say the last name. Okay, sorry if I butchered it. It was purchased from a so Annabelle was purchased from a second-hand hobby store size of a four-year-old child, and she was given as a gift to a woman called Donna by her mother. Why? On her 28th birthday. Again, why? Yeah, you're not sure. A child would want a doll, but nope, your 28-year-old daughter, you're gonna give her a Raggedy Ann doll the size of a four-year-old child. That's creepy as fuck. Yeah. And it's second hand. Yeah. Who knows what someone's done to that doll. Exactly. But anyway, Donna was really happy with it. Like, so happy, she took it home, showed it to her roommate called Angie.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Angie?

SPEAKER_00 9:01

Mm-hmm. The Donna and Angie were both nurses or nursing students. Some sources say nurses, some person some say nurses' students. Okay. Sorry. In the nursing community. Yeah. They word long ashes. Yeah. Um, so apparently everything was fine at first, like the first few weeks. And they would sit Annabelle on the sofa in the living room, so she could, in quotes, greet the guests.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah, I know, a bit weird. But it didn't take long before the two women began to notice that Annabelle seemed to move about the room on her own. Or be in a different position to the one they left her in.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Nope. Nope.

SPEAKER_00 9:45

So she'd be like sit on the sofa and the next minute she is like other side of the sofa, or just kind of That sounds gross. I would 100% just burn that there and then. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Donna would sit her on the living room sofa before leaving for work, only to come home to find to come home in the afternoon and find her in her bedroom. Oh. I mean With the door shut, I may I add. If someone's mum went and gave it to her, I would want to try and do everything out of the house. But if that wasn't the roommate fucking with her, it wasn't because I am not there for it. Nobody was in the house. It was they they were out most of the time. So because they kind of noticed this and she would come home and Annabelle wasn't on the sofa anymore, she was in her bedroom with the door shut. Donna deliberately would leave Annabelle on her bed. Right. She'd be like, right, you're staying there then. If you want to be in my bedroom, you can stay there. She'd come home. She'd be in the living room. Oh no. And what makes what makes it even creepier Okay, is Donna and Angie started finding notes. What? Left throughout the apartment.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Like and it would say help me. Help me. Yeah. Or help Lou, which Lou is um Yes, according to the Warren. Ah, Donna. So that all right. I was asking you a question about Annabelle, because I I knew a fact that I wanted to throw in there in case you haven't done it. But then it decided to talk. It's never talk to me. Okay, so anyway, she would f there were fine notes saying help or help me. Um or help Lou. Right. Which is Angie's boyfriend. Um we don't know his last name. Okay, he's just called Lou. But he's just called Lou. So some people say it's her fiance, some people say it's just her boyfriend.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Louis.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Either way, it would be help me or help Lou, which is weird. And according to the women, the notes were written on parchment paper, which is an American thing for baking paper. Right. It sounds a bit weird to write. Yeah. Even weirder? They didn't even keep that stuff in the house. They had none. I don't like that, but I also want to know what pens they used for the parchment picture. Have you tried writing on baking paper? Because it kind of balls up and smudges everywhere. Yeah, and what's even weird. It was in red. And they knew it was Annabelle writing them. Because they would quite often find red on her hands and on her chest, and they it looked like real blood. Oh Yeah. Do not like that.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

So with all that going on, Lou is now in the picture.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Okay. The boyfriend or fiancee. Mm-hmm. He was already a bit suspicious of her. You know, given the circumstances, I would be too. Yeah, me too. Annabelle started recurring in his nightmares. No, that's never good. Yeah. He would have nightmares about her trying to strangle him. Right. So yeah, he he was not having a good time with her. He knew something was up. She didn't like him apparently in his dreams. So the girls decided this is just getting a bit weird. Yep, get rid of the fucking doll. Yep, we're receiving notes. Lou's having some freaky ass nightmares. Yeah. I mean, I I would have gotten rid of her as soon as I got handed it. I'm like, mmm, thanks, mum, but you can return that. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, mum's doll Linda was fucking creepy. And this scream that came from you was so hilarious. I remember locking myself in the bathroom. I was like, I'm not leaving until that doll's gone. Oh, right. Anyway. After all of that, the girls decided we're getting a medium involved. Right. We need to know what the fuck is going on. So they hired this medium and they held a seance. And the medium turned round and said that the doll was inhabited by a spirit of a deceased seven-year-old girl named Annelle Higgins.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

Which then you would be like, Yeah, please just kindly fuck off.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

They didn't. Because clearly, even as nursing students or nurses, they're not fucking smart. Apparently Annabelle died tragically. Okay. And her body had been found on the site where the apartment building was built.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

When it was like before it was built, it was just a plain field. Apparently she was she died, she was found there and not in a good way. And she just simply wanted to be loved and cared for. And that she felt safe with Donna and Angie. Yeah, but if she's listening to this weird fucking Annabelle sh. I this medium sounds like she's a lying sack of shit. Mm-hmm. Well, she lied so well that the the girls decided that they felt really bad for Annabelle. And they allowed her to take up permanent residence inside the dock. So they accepted her presence. Yes. So instead of going, okay, Annabelle out you go, you know, go go to the other side, go to the light. They were like, no, no, no, you can stay here with us. It's fine, you can just chill. Yeah. I'm assuming that was a big mistake. Uh-huh. Huge. And I actually have, funny enough, in my notes in brackets, big mistake in Capital Latins. Yes. So yeah, because everything went shit after this. Right, okay. So Lou.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Again. Obviously he Annabelle doesn't like him. Okay, we I think we've already established that. She doesn't like him. He was in the apartment all day by himself. Okay, everybody was at work. Right. And he heard a noise. So he thought somebody had broken into the apartment. Because he could hear rustling coming from Donna's room. Who was messaging you? Oh, that's my friend Lottie. Okay, can can you tell her to be quiet with say shh for five minutes, please. How do I mute it? I don't know. Just don't don't put anything else on. Just stay. Oh she's typing. Stop typing. Damn it. Right, I think she's ended the conversation. Just don't reply until after. I won't. Okay. Sorry, Lottie, but you'll have to you're a mute now. You're a mute. Oh gosh. Right, carry on. Lou is on his own. Lou's on his own in the house and he thought somebody had broken in. Because he could hear rustling and movement in Donna's room. Right. So he went to go and investigate. Which I originally I would just be like, I'm out. I'm gone. Why don't people learn? Why why do you think this this thing that's Because there's a man? Yeah, very true. Yeah, there we go. Sorry for any men that are listening and actually would decide that I'm out. But I think Andrew would have been out before he would scream like a little girl. Apparently he did get really scared by Cass or the. Do you feel when Cass came downstairs and told me that he literally came down and was like, Mummy, there's a shadow man in my room behind the door. Nope. I was literally like, Well, I'm not going to your room ever again. And I had and there was part of me that's like, I'm actually not gonna go up those stairs. I'm just gonna leave it. And then Andrew went off and he um he looked behind the door and apparently he'd always shit himself because there was outline of a man in his ear. It was weird, but it's because of the shadow um that's like what where the light is and the bed, it formed this giant like outline of a man. And yet to then show Cass that like there's not a shadow man in your room, it's just the weird positioning of everything, and he accepted it. Because I don't think I would have ever gone in that room again. I wouldn't have accepted it. I would be like, You're fucking lying to me. I'm gone. I'm gonna sleep in your room, I'm not sleeping in there again. Anyway, carry on. Uh right, let me find my place because he went into her room to investigate. Yeah. But he found no one there. Okay. And no evidence of any forced entry or that anyone was there with him. No. But what he did find though was Annabelle laying face down on the floor. Oh no. Mm-hmm. She had a wild night. Yep, but hung over there. What was going on? There's random noises coming through my throat. So there are other sources that say that Annabelle attacked Lou while he was waking up from a nap. Yeah, but I've I've had that's what I I got some information on that, which I wasn't sure if you were gonna cover everything that happened. Yeah, so I I thought I'd include that one in there because I have seen it a couple of times. So some people say it was the same time that they he thought wasn't a um there was a break-in. But to be honest, back then it it was 1970s. Yeah. So he's probably off his tits on something. That was sixties. The 70s they still like smoked a lot. That's true. But it was more the sixties. I guess.

unknown 20:10

Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

They had crazy clothes. That was the 80s, crazy clothes, afro's and flared jeans. Well, you know what? Discuss Steve. Everything before the 2000s was a variety show of different things, okay? So was the 90s, really. Yeah. We had some weird clothing. So let's just not go into the whole era thing. Okay. He could have been off his tits on something. That's true. He could have done. Okay. But anyway, yeah, so some people say that he got attacked.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

But after he found Annabelle on the floor, like while he was looking at her, apparently he felt a searing pain running across his chest and like his arms and stuff. And when he looked down, he saw bloody claw marks on his chest and stomach. Seven scratches in total, four horizontal and three vertical. But the weird thing is they disappeared after two days. That is weird. Yeah. Have you got the thing about him being paralyzed? No. Well, not technically paralysed, but so this is what the part of the information that I've got about him. Okay. It's apparently before the scratches occurred. Yeah. Um, Lou reportedly had a terrified experience while he was staying over at the apartment. Um he came to wake up from a deep sleep feeling paralyzed. Okay, it's a little bit of sleep paralysis, yeah. Um when he looked down, he saw Annabelle crawling up his legs. Nope. Yep. And he alleged and oh he alleged that the doll moved up his chest and began to strangle him until he blacked out. Oh shit. And then when he woke up the next morning, he was convinced it wasn't a dream. Um and there although there was like no marks on his neck at the time. I suppose that that's probably the same time that he was thinking he had kept again nightmares about him her strangling him. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. No. So after he got attacked and scratched with weird disappearing scratches, the girls decided that again they need to get somebody involved. Yeah. They maybe made a mistake of accepting this fucking thing. Yeah, I think they thought, you know what? We fucked up letting her come in. How do we get her to go? Mm-hmm. So they Oh, you might be able to hear a baby crying. She'll be fuzzy. Yeah. They decided to get they wanted to get rid of the spirit possessing the doll. So they called in an escopiel. Scopiel? Yeah, a scopial priest.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Right. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Known as Father Hagen or Hegan. I'm gonna say Hagen.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Father Hegan.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

No, no, it probably is Hegan. Hegan, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Hagen. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

It's H-E-G-A-N, so probably Hegan.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Higan.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Hugan? I think he's American, so it wouldn't be. Hair again. Whatever accent we were just doing then. Father Hair again. Sounds tail. Anyway, Hegan knew it was too much for him. He was like, desperate's a bit too fucking crazy for me. I'm gonna call in some backup. It's not a little boy. Fuck's sake. Oh god. Right. He contact his superior, Father Cook. Oh god, okay. Who then decided he was going to alert so Father Cook alerted Ed and Lorraine Warren. Ed and Lorraine Warren? Yes, they did. They had just done the amateurville horror case as well back then. Yes, they had done loads of cases. Yeah, I have got some backstory on them. So do I do it now? I don't know. Or after. Well. Let's go into a bit now. Yeah. Um, and then I can see if you've got any information that I don't have. Okay, so we need to remember where we are. Okay, so who's just contacted the Warrens? I feel like it's a good time to be like To yeah, to detour. Yeah. So onto who the fuck the Warrens are. And who are they? Okay. So, Edward Warren. Yes, he is. Well, he was Edward Warren Miney. Was born on September 7th, 1926, in Bridgeport, Connecticut. And he had a childhood that was anything but ordinary. It was the edge of at the edge, I think. It was at the age of five that Ed Warren had his first encounter with the supernatural. Okay. So he from early on he was like, I can see dead people. Just three blocks away from Ed's home lived Lorraine Morin, born January 31st, 1927. She had a Catholic upbringing, and at the age of 12, she was deemed sinful by her sinful by her family because of her gift of clairvoyance. So she was like, oh, I see dead people, and her family were like, no the fuck you don't.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

You do not.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

We don't do that shit in this house. So later on in life, the couple met at a movie theatre in 1944 and soon fell in love.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Oh, don't you tell you?

SPEAKER_00 26:22

In 1945, Ed enlisted in the Navy during World War Two, and just weeks later his ship sank. Right. He was then given 30 days of medical leave. During which in Connecticut No. During which the Connecticut man returned home. So the Con I I put it as Connecticut man, but Ed Warren.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Connecticut man.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

I thought I when I was writing, I was like, oh make it like nice storytelling, but I should have just wrote Ed Warren. He returned home. I was trying to be fancy, okay? You you gave him a nickname. Yeah, I know. I w I was feeling what was it? In my writing era. I don't know, but when I hear Connecticut, all I think of is um it's a code with the zoo animals. That cartoon with Oh, um Madagascar. Yeah. Yeah. Because they talk about Connecticut, right? The only thing I think of is Connecticut is Hartford because Sacred that's how I remember the the way I remember Connecticut is being Hartford, being the capital or whatever, which way around it is. Um Sacred Heart. That's how I remember Heartfits Connecticut, because you connect the wires to the heart machine. That's how I remember it. Anyway. Details He was given 30 days leave for medical. Okay. So he decided he was going to return home and on the May on May 22nd, 1945, he got married to Lorraine. Right. During like his time off. And on January 11th, 1946, they welcomed their daughter, Judy Warren, into the world. But they weren't your usual couple. Ed was a self-proclaimed demologist, and Lorraine Warren became a trance medium and clairvoyant and claimed to have taken on close to 10,000 paranormal investigations. Oh, I was way off. Well, I mean, I think like you're on about the famous ones. Oh, yeah, maybe. I think these are like house calls sort of thing. Um, in 1952, they founded the New England Society for Psychic Research, the NESPR. One of New England's oldest ghost hunting groups. In New England, we're not New England, we're just England. Yeah, I know. I just got excited about the fact they founded one of the cool groups. Okay. I think it's a party over there. Oh, it was a party of ghosts. If you're not invited, you get ghosted.

unknown 29:01

Fuck so.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Jesus Christ, Izzy. Over the years they met move along. Over the years they meticulously documented their experiences, collecting interviews, audio, video recordings, and many occult artifacts tied to paranormal activity. Ed Warren died in 2006, and Lorraine Warren died in 2019. So do you know what apparently happened in 1963? No. So apparently, yeah, it's not like this is the rumour that goes around. Judith Penny um claimed that she began a sexual relationship with Ed Warren in 1963. Oh. Scandalous. When she was 15. Oh. And he was 37. Oh, so we got pedo. Yeah, this is the allegations are against him. Allegedly. She allegedly lived in the Warren home for decades, acting as his second wife with Lorraine's knowledge. Oh, so Thropple. Yes. Pedothrple. So this this period covers the time they're investigating the Annabelle case and Anti-Mat and Amateaville. Amateaville. Oh, Amateaville was after the Annabelle case. Interesting. I thought it was the other way around. Annabelle was in 1970 and the Amateaville was in 1976. Oh. Learn something new every day. Carry on. Carry on. Okay, so going back to Annabelle. Yeah. Okay, now we've had that little detail. We know the backstory. If we do we want to know more of the alleged alleged things against them before we move on. Why not? We're we're already there. And then we'll just go back to the original story in a second. Okay, yeah. Just because I might as well, whilst we're in this little section of the horrors. Yeah. What horrors have they bespoked on people? Yeah, so in the 1970s, um, there's allegations against him that the amateurville was a hoax. Oh, okay. Yeah, so immediately following the 1976 investigation of the Lewis Home Um skeptic, which is the Amateurville House. Okay. Sceptics began dismantling the story. So sceptics, including the investigator Rick Morin, accused the Warrens of being professional sensationalists. Okay. So William Weber, the defence attorney for the murderer Ronald DeF DeF DeFeo? Yeah, that's it, DeFeo Jr., later claimed that the Lutzes, so the owners of the Amateurville House, the new owners of the Amateurville house, created this horror story over many bottles of wine to help with legal fees and book deals and the um and book deal not and book deals and book deals and like over. And the Warrens were essentially validating a known fabrication for publicity. So the guy who are killed, so basically, do you know the Amateurville case? I actually haven't really done any research on it. Okay, so basically, I think it's the son killed all of his family with a shotgun. Oh, delightful. Um, and then so the whole reason why they say it was a hoax and that this um this guy was meeting with people to kind of come up with they were trying to make they were meeting with the new owners, so then the new owners could then validate what he was saying, saying that he was possessed by a demon to kill his whole family to get him out of jail. Right, okay. So they were saying that apparently there's lots of wine involved, and everyone was on board with trying to create this hoax about the Amteville house being haunted, including the people living there, and that so then they could be like, Yeah, but this house is so haunted, like we're living in this haunted house type thing, to get this guy out of jail for killing his whole family. Wow. Yep. Um, and in 1980, uh, when Arthur Gerald Brittle worked with the Warrens to write their biography, The Demon Demon Demon Why can't I never say that word? Demonologist. Demonologist, he reportedly began to see cracks in their stories. Brittle later claimed that the Warrens duped him. He alleged that many of the facts provided in the book, including details about the animal case, were either exaggerated or entirely made up by Ed Warren to ensure the book was a page turner.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Wow. Mm-hmm. Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Apparently in 1990, in the 1990s, uh the Sendika case. Sendika case? The haunting in Connecticut, uh, this case became one of the most cited examples of the Warrens allegedly coaching witnesses. Right. So Ray Garten, the novelist, hired, was hired to write the book about the case. Um, and he grew frustrated when he found the family stories didn't align. Um Garten famously alleged that when he brought these inconsistencies to Ed Warren, Ed told him, You've got the highlights, make up the rest, and use what you and use what we give you just to make it scary. And that was a quote from Ed Warren.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

Yeah. So Garten later discovered that the family suffered from serious mental health issues and addiction that the Warrens allegedly ignored to keep the demon narrative alive. Oh. When actually they were living with their own demons, they were just psychological demons. Yeah. So in 1997 there was a New England the New England Skeptical Society investigation, which you mentioned about the New England thing earlier. Uh Dr. Stephen Novella, and I love the word novella. I don't know why. It was like a telenovella. Um like a short book. Yeah, I just like the word it browsing tongue. And Perry D'Angulis, don't know if that's right. D'Angulis were uh were granted a rare look into the Warren's evidence and museum. Uh after reviewing the physical evidence for ghosts and demons, including the Annabelle doll, the investigators concluded that there was zero scientific merit of to any of it. They categorized the Warrens not as evil but as pleasant people who were master of stuff master storytellers and enablers of people's delusions. I feel like that one, that's just someone who doesn't believe in ghosts, because you can't go, that's not like it's there's no science behind that. Well, it's scientific, it's not about being scientific. So I don't think it kind of is scientific in a way because energy doesn't die.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

Energy has to do with science.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

So and energy doesn't die. So where does it go when you die?

SPEAKER_01 36:01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

It doesn't just poof gone, it you know, you're still around. That energy's still there. And this is the last one, and then Vicky can carry on with the actual story. We got to that trade. Is the 900 million legal battle in 2017? Jesus. So a massive lawsuit filed against the uh against Warner Bruce Bros. Bruce, the studio behind the conjuring, brought many of the old allegations into legal record. Um Gerald Brittle, the author of The Demon Demonologist, uh sued, asserting that the Warrens had a pattern of deceit. To win this the suit, um, he had to provide he had he had to prove the sh true story the movies were based on were actually fictional. He cited that Judith Penny affair and the sneat Sendeker fabrications as proof that the Warren's entire ghost hunting brand was a commercial con. Don't know whether he won it or not, but Well how can you prove that that didn't happen? I don't know. Cause if you've already gotten rid of the demon or whatever it is that's possessing, then there's no proof that that happened. Apparently he didn't lose it, but he didn't win it either. He ended on a settlement. Oh, okay. So I suppose because you can't prove that something like that didn't exist. Yeah, I think you're trying to prove something that is not provable. Yeah. But that was the alleged allegations against the Warrens. I think the weirdest one is the fact that he was having so diddling with a minor when he was 37. Yeah. That's gross. Yeah. So allegedly. Yeah. Anyway. Should we go back to the story? Back to Annabel. So just to re-re refresh after our little detour. Went down memory lane. Lou got attacked.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

Donna and Angie were like, we need to go bring someone in. Fuck this shit. They brought in Father Hegan. There was no boys. Hegan decided this is too much. Went to Father Kook. Or Cook? C Dou K-E. Cook. Kook. But it's kind of like Cookie almost. Father Kook. Father Kookie. Um little cookie. He then decided this is too much. We're gonna hand this over to Ed and Lorraine Warren.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

So the Warrens believed that well, they came out and looked at Annabelle. And they believed that there was actually a demonic force in search of a human host within Annabelle.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

So they were like, this is not the seven-year-old girl that you thought it was. This is a demon trying to possess you. And you have just welcomed it into your home, you motherfuckers. You've just gone, you know what, yeah, take full control. Just do what you want. Yep. Um yeah, they're like, this demon is not friendly. So in an account of their case, it states this is in quotes Spirits do not possess inanimate objects like houses or toys. They possess people. An inhuman spirit can attach itself to a place or object, and this is what occurred in the Annabelle case. This spirit manipulated the doll and created the illusion of it being alive in order to get recognition. Truly, the spirit was not looking to stay attached to the doll. It was looking to possess a human host. Nope. End quote. That is vile. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well that I don't like the fact that it's playing with the doll. Yeah. To make it act like it's a little seven-year-old girl that's trying to they they noted that it was like a demonic possession. And what what gave it away really was the teleportation. So it was like moving around doing what it wants. The materialization. So getting the parchment paper and writing the notes, but they didn't ha they didn't keep parchment paper in the apartment because they weren't into baking. And the mark of the beast, which was in quotation marks, which was Lou's clawed chest. Right. So they were like, that's all signs of a demon, not a little ghost child that wants to be loved. I don't like that. No. So yeah. So straight away they were like, we need to exercise a place. So they all exercise in this place. Extra fries? They ordered the exorcism of the apartment to be formed by Father Kook.

unknown 41:17

The Kookie.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

And then they took Annabelle out of the apartment to take it to their home in Monroe, Connecticut. Sounds like a logical place to put it. Yeah, they were like, we will take the doll. I just really well, I mean, this guy, Warren, likes fi 15-year-old girls. He wants a four-year-old life-size doll of a four-year-old child. Allegedly.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Moving on.

SPEAKER_00 42:02

So apparently, allegedly, they said that if they had waited another two or three weeks It would have been too grown for him. Allegedly. No, too grown for the priest for the priest. Yeah, too. Kookie likes them smaller. Kookie was a bit kooky. Oh, anyway. Yes. If they waited another two to three weeks, the spirit would have completely possessed or killed one, if not all, of the occupants in the house. Yeah. So like, so you're only a couple of weeks away from dying. We're gonna take her to our house. So we could die. Yeah. So they knew that taking her out of the house was gonna piss her off. Okay. I mean, I can see why she was quite happy there. Yeah. Literally just minutes after leaving with Annabelle, the Warrens started experiencing Annabelle being pissed off.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

No. Oh, I've got shivers.

SPEAKER_00 43:16

Shiver! So before they left, Ed was like, we're gonna take the back roads home, avoid all highways. Because if she fucks around and kills us, at least we're not killing hundreds of people on the highway, we're just gonna be dead. Probably just ourselves. Yeah. Um so yeah, they did that and it was a good choice. Tell me why it was a good choice, Vicky. Tell me why. Because tell me why, tell me, sweetie. I thought you were gonna say, tell me why Tell me, tell me why. And it's too tell me lies, but that's how I hear it in my head. I don't even think tell me why is a part of the It's not it's tell me lies, but my brain. No, my bit. Tell me why in nothing but honey. That's okay. Because every time Enzo goes, Why, mummy? Tell me why? I sing that too. That's because he says it in the same way. See, I still can't get I can't get out of my head. Well, every time Malachi pulls my hair, I just it's a fishy my hair.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

I did choose it every time. I can't help myself. Is it a fishing my hair?

SPEAKER_00 44:30

That's probably why he does it. Is it myself if I pull my mum's hair, she's just gonna scream this. Oh god. Anyway. Yes, it was a good choice, and I will tell you why.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Tell me why.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

Oh, right. I'm getting really hot in this jumper now, but I can't take it off because I'll have nowhere to put mic. Right. Annabelle decided it'll be fun. She decided it was gonna be fun to fuck with the car. This is why you don't let kids in your car. Even if they're a doll, you don't let them in the car. Yeah. So she would randomly stall the engine. Lovely. I think she's in my car. She'd make the steering block up so you couldn't steer the car properly. Lovely. And she even made the brakes fail. Yeah. It's just randomly would be like, you have no fucking brakes. No. Like out of nowhere, they turned the engine on, no lights. Parasteering's back. What the fuck have you It's a house garden? It's because you cleaned out the backs. No, because that's it's but it broke after that. Don't know what it is, but then it does uh sometimes it just cuts off while she's driving, and then the steering goes. And then it doesn't break properly when that happens. So that's fun. But it's good when it's I think it needs to go to the garage. I think it's a sensor on like the wheel or something. Oh yeah, no neo disabled. D uh but it could be a dodgy sensor. So to get it clean. Yeah, I think it will be sensor. Because since we had the wheel, um we had to change the tire. Once had that done, it started working more. Oh yeah, it's probably a dirty dirty sensor. My car is so dirty that it probably is that. Probably from going through the muddy puddles all the time when Well during the flood. Yeah, probably you probably got dirt trapped in there. Dead little bitch. Hmm. Carry on. Yeah, speaking of brake failing, that's what she would do. Randomly just go, fuck you, you're not driving anymore. I'm gonna stop your steering and make your brakes fail. Huh. And she almost caused multiple fatal crashes. Huh. So she was like Even though they're on the back roads. Yeah. So she was like, um because she wanted them dead. She was like, fuck you guys, you took me away from the house, I was gonna kill everyone in. I was quite happy, you know, wandering around the the apartment. Mm-hmm. I had my parchment paper and everything. I had the crayons. I didn't get to pack my stuff. Well, so because she kept on fucking with the car, Ed was like, you know what, enough is enough. This bitch needs to stop. He pulled out a bottle of holy water from his bag and drowned her in it. Literally just poured it all over her. Wouldn't you think that's something you would do anyway? Yeah, you would have thought, like, oh, you know, I'm not gonna take the highway because she might try and kill us. But I'm not gonna douse her with holy water just yet. I'm just gonna let her fuck with the car for a while. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, he he doused her with it. Um and she stopped. She stopped messing with the car long enough for them to get home. But once they did get home apparently it had it worn off. Because they placed Annabelle in Ed's study. Right. And then she reported apparently she it was reported that she levitated and moved about the house. She just got up and moved around. Why why is she not apparently soaking in holy ore? Well I will get into that. Okay. Um They even tried putting locks on the office and tried locking her in. But and she she it wasn't even like the office was attached to the house. Right. It was an outhouse. Like outside.

unknown 48:42

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Like a different building. They kept her locked in there because they were like, I don't want to get killed by this thing, so I'm gonna lock you out in there. Um they would lock her in. Then later on they she would turn up inside the house. Just like bitch, I'm back. Bitch? You're trying to strap me out the house? Yeah. Apparently they kept trying to lock her away. And she just kept on finding a way out. She was like, I'm a sneaker on bitch. Yeah, like you lock the door, I'm gonna fucking go through the window. Yeah. Like, I'm I'm gonna find you. So after a while they're like, you know what, enough is enough. And they asked a young priest to bless the house and to contain Annabelle. So they're like you know, you're you're gonna be. Yeah. But the priest was a young dipshit. Okay? He was a fucking idiot. He's a bit kooky. No, he was stupider than kooky.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 49:44

Because he decided he was gonna pick up Annabelle and say that her story was fake, and then started mocking her by saying, You're just a rag doll, Annabelle. You can't hurt anyone. You can't hurt me, my wings are sheer steel. Oh god, memories. That's sort of my like I think that's one of my only not only, but one of my favourite memories of Dad. There's not many, but uh dad Dad's a piece of shit, he's a drunk. Yeah. But when he was drunk, he used to like mumble. When not when he was drunk drunk. We timed it.

SPEAKER_01 50:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:30

So we could tell when we could get money out of him, because he'd never used to pay for anything apart from his wine or his weed. So we used to try and get money out of him. And there was always a set perfect time to time it perfect. Perfect time where he would just hand us all the money in his wallet. It was great. And then around that time he'd get all giggly and he'd start acting like an idiot and actually quite fun. Yeah. It's very limited time, but yeah, he was like, I'm bad thing. My wings are a shield of steel. You had to be there. It was funny. Yeah. Fun memories.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

Childhood trauma.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

When people are listening, like, that's not a normal, normal upbringing, guys. You guys need therapy. You mean like when um when dad read you beating the beast? I don't remember that. Do you not? So dad went and read G Buting the Beast, and then we were we were sharing the bedroom at the time, and Dad was drunk, and he had he has also, I think he had hurt his back, so he was on like pain medicine for that. So he was like completely out of it. And he then like wobbled to the stairs and then he found on the stairs. There's multiple times he found on the stairs. No, and I remember when he fell down the stairs, there was David Hoover. Yeah, but I remember it so vividly because he had only just sealed the um the ceiling where he fell through the ceiling. I know. I remember looking at the ceiling at that point, I was like, oh, I wonder if that's gonna like be finished. Yeah. And then I just we just had down the stairs, and then mum was like pissed herself laughing. And then she had to call Ali to come down and help to move him, but then they were both pissing themselves laughing. So no one helped him. Yep, that's childhood for you. Yeah, that was a just uh it wasn't even a weekend, it was typical weekday night. And we wonder how we came out so perfect. Who wonder where our dark humour comes from? I mean, mum helped. Mum then, you know, she's Mum shielded us from a lot. Yeah. Why are we talking about childhood stuff now? I don't know, but props to you, mum. Thanks for uh shielding us from a lot of shit and actually raising us. Yeah. Do you remember when we go we I was at Malika we got um we we managed to get Malika in trouble for whipping dad with a towel or something, and then we were sat on the stairs saying he was singing um oh what was it? It was so I can't remember what we're singing now, it was in my head for a second, but it was something really like sarcastic. That's funny. I don't know, they just used to whip each other all the time with towels. That's why I have such a fear of those towels. Nino does it all the time, he'll get the towel out and he'll pretend to whip me. And oh my I get so angry, I should like scream at him. I'm like, fucking stop. I told Andrew about what daddy used to do when he used to pick us up upside down and pretend to burn her toes. Yeah, I know that's why I can't. If Nino messes around with a lighter, I get really angry with him. But I was just like, that's like a normal thing, right? A drunk dad pretend to light our toes on fire with a lighter. Getting so close you can actually feel it burning.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

You're hanging upside down, so you can't move.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

There's actually a photo of you whacking him over the head with a wooden spoon. Um he probably defended it. Oh, yeah, he did. Well, God, anyway, yeah, moving on. We had such normal childhood, guys. We did seriously. So normal. It was fun of the things like pushing Ricky down the stairs and and when she has Miss Fight for I used to love being Miss Fight for the surprises. That was the funniest thing. I now see why mum used to get pissy though, because we put every item of clothing inside your other clothes to make you like a stupid wrestler. Because I couldn't even move my arms or my leg. And then we used to roll it down the stairs. We would use like two like chest of drawers full of clothes. We'd mix our clothes together. I can't imagine. Uh that makes me like so annoyed thinking about the boys doing stuff like that. But we used to do that on a daily. Yeah. Literally every single item of clothing that we owned would be shoved into my trousers and my top. So I was like, you know, those like giant balloons of these people on like films where the people blow up. And march. That's what I look like. Yes. And then you'd backcomb my hair, put coat hangers away. Then we'd come downstairs and put on a show from Mum and Allie.

SPEAKER_01 55:26

I'd be like, this Miss Fatty put the surprises. I do remember what I'd do. I think I would just roll on my god. Maybe she's to push you over and watch you try to stand up.

SPEAKER_00 55:39

I remember trying to walk up the stairs after them and not being able to get up the steps. I don't even know. Oh god, I mum's gonna be listening to this and I think she's gonna wet herself by now for remembering what we used to do with kids. I'll tell you what though, I've been actually thinking about getting the exercise ball out and then giving the boys the broom and just letting them try and get from one area. No, because you'll have more holes to fill. It was so fun. I was thinking that was a childhood game, that was super fun. Yeah, but also we put holes in the ceiling. Yeah. That we would fill with tissue. Exactly. That's what they're gonna get when they're they're just put some tissue up there and no one notices it. Oh god. Right, let's get back on track. Yeah, where was I? Oh yeah, he uh I don't even know how we got on that.

unknown 56:33

I don't even know.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

Destrough a dump. Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Oh, right. Oh yeah, so we're at the point where this young priest was like, Annabelle, no one can hurt you. Like you can't hurt anyone, you're a stupid doll. Yeah. Um Ed was like, mate, don't do that. That's the wrong fucking thing to do. Oh, it's because you said, you can't hurt me. That's how we got I like how we're laughing when people are listening like that's not funny. They're like, get the fuck to the point. We've been here for half an hour waiting for you to finish the sentence. You're just not interesting. There you go. Alright, Janet. So I'm gonna name that person. I don't actually know what their name is, but I'm gonna call you Janet. Probably a man, but anyway. Um, yeah, Ed was like don't mock her. It's a you know, it's a demon. But the young priest just was like, um I'm just not gonna listen to you. He laughed it off. While the priest was driving home in his fancy new car that he'd literally just like not long picked up, um and after he was pissing her off, he ended up getting to a serious car accident, which almost killed him. Okay. Damn. And um apparently he after he like recovered, he told the Warrens that just before he crashed, he saw Annabelle in his rear beam mirror. Gross. Yeah. How did he get that how did she like, oh I'm just going for a little car ride to do? But I mean, how did she get out of a locked room? And then in the house. Maybe she's at escape rooms. Maybe. So after this, it was like in the late 70s.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:33

They moved Annabelle into a more safer place. The Occult Museum. Which is where she is now. They decided to have a custom glass and wooden cabinet made for the doll to live in. And apparently, I don't know how true this is, but I have seen this on a couple of sources. Although I haven't seen like the whole way around the case, so I'm not sure. Okay. So let me find where we are because our mic's stopped. I did. So we have uh charged them for a few minutes, so hopefully they hold out. So yeah, I hadn't uh looked around the whole glass case. Yeah. Because there's only pictures of the front of it. So I I don't know entirely of what's uh true and what's not true. I haven't seen it. But apparently it's been engraved with the Lord's Prayer and the St. Michael's Prayer. Right. And has signs on the box saying warning positively do not open. Very proper. Not just don't open it. Because she'll kill you. Yeah. Just positively do not open. So the rest of his life, Ed would regularly say a binding prayer over this case to ensure Annabelle stayed trapped inside. Right. And he also would douse her in holy water.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 59:57

So since being locked up in the museum, she's not moved. But she hasn't stopped fucking with people. Okay. Yeah. So still at her fanatics. Yeah. Fuck around and find out. Her fan antics. Fan tang tang. Anticles. Don't go you're on the rollercoaster. You said no more divergence. I'm crying. It's really hard. I know. Right. Huh. People who visited have reported feeling nauseous. There have been accidents and bad luck after disrespecting her. That's what you get for being a disrespectful prick. Yeah. So a few years after being on display, a couple decided to visit the museum and the man of the couple decided he was going to be frat boy behaviour and act like a dick. He decided to tap on the grass. Of course he did. Yeah. And he decided to laugh at her and say how silly people were for believing in her. Well, did he not hear what happened to the priest? Apparently not. But on his way home, he reportedly lost control of his motorcycle and crashed headlong. I think it's supposed to be head first. Head on. Head on, yeah, head on. Apparently, when I'm typing my notes, I don't pay attention to what I'm typing. He crashed head-on into a tree. He was killed instantly.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:33

But his girlfriend barely survived. Oh she claimed that just before they crashed, they were laughing about the doll. She that's your fault. Mm-hmm. I'm sorry, but you if you decide to laugh at a cursed object, that is on you. Yeah. So yeah. To this day, Annabelle remains locked away inside the museum. Dun, done, done. Until it got taken over though. Oh no, I mean she's still locked in there. But it has new owners. Yeah. Yeah, I knew there was new owners, but I was gonna do information information check. Information check and not have to be. I was gonna do some ch uh thing on that, but we kind of covered it in other episodes. There's much more. We can do a little bit, just so it kind of ties in with what's with her now, what's she doing? Yeah. So I do have some actual information about it. Oh my goodness, I actually did something. I didn't I asked a question and it answered. Okay. So yeah. Because I wanted to see if there was any other information about um attacks after in case you didn't cover it all, but you've already covered it all. Oh, okay. That and then it's just luckily it's come up with the permanent closure part. Oh, cool. Uh so the original Warren Accord Moon Museum in Monroe was officially shut down around 2019 due to zoning violations. Uh, it was a commercial business in a residential neighbourhood. Oh then as of 2026, the doll remains in legal custody of the Warren's son-in-law, Tony Svara, um, and the New England Society for Psycho Psychotic, nope. Psychic research, the N-E-S-T-R. Uh, she kept she kept it in a consecrated glass case at um undisclosed private location to prevent the public from swarming the residential area. Oh, okay. Yeah, because there was a a thing, a rumour, because I when I was looking into her, there was a rumour saying that Annabelle Doll went missing. Ah. Um, which they were like, no, she never actually was missing. But I think the public said she was missing because she wasn't in the museum. Yeah, I think they've just moved her. Moved her, yeah. Yeah. Because the museum is closed, the doll now travels. Oh, okay. So she is frequently the star attraction of paranormal conversations and special events like the devils on a run tour. I don't it sounds like some kind of convention. Oh, okay. Um, she is transported in specialized blessed wooden box and is rarely removed from her blast. Why the fuck would you remove her? It says on there do not open. Positively do not open. Yeah, why rarely removed? Why are you removing her at all? Yeah, why let her out well why let the cat out of the back? She doesn't need to go for a walk. No. She she doesn't need some, you know, like she doesn't she hasn't earned some good. Don't give her an opportunity to kill somebody. Yeah. Or to like up and run. So uh Matt Reif, which we've mentioned in another I love I love that guy. He's so funny. Uh he's like he's one of the people where you he crosses the line and you're like, oh damn. I mean that was funny. We definitely teach her on the line. We don't cross the line. I mean, we teeter on the line that you guys hear. When we cross the line, we edit it out. I do not keep those hearts either. One day I'm just gonna show a whole like bloopers. Bloopers. Um, because I think I think we will piss off a lot of people from the bloopers. Yeah, we 100% will. Sometimes our dark humour takes over and we just blurch out. Yeah. Uh so the Matt Rife purchase in 2025 in a strange pop culture twist. No, I'm not even gonna say that. Back off, pause, repeat, edit. I think we got the gist. So Matt Rife the Matt Reife purchase. Um, so Matt Rife reportedly he's a comedian, if anyone doesn't know, he reportedly purchased the original uh Warren home and museum site in late two in late two two five in late twenty twenty five part of the deal included a five year guardianship of the collection though the Warren family still oversee the spiritual maintenance the blessing of the dog yeah because they they he doesn't own the stuff in the museum he owns a museum but the stuff is just there yeah like like donated in a way but not donated you know what's the word for it it's not donated borrowed I don't know I don't know what the word is I feel like my brain's not working at this point huh like I didn't even myself speak I thought it was like hurt you at the same time it sounded like a room full of people talking you know it's like I went and it made me see a fat Amy from Resort on running and then she has article running I feel like I could do drugs but I but I should I just hit an or wherever she said. I feel like I could do crystal meth and then like maybe not that's it like that's what I was thinking in my head and I had to like get it out there and then um but yeah I think that's basically it um about what's going on now with her because she's kind of just get on she's a little gypsy now travelling around on tour. Apparently getting released I don't know to play with me but you know you do with you and you probably die. Mm-hmm die and crap because Annabelle's got you and belly bah isn't or she's keeping them alive because they let her out the cage every now a little bit every now and again so she can uh fuck with some other people.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:57

Maybe maybe she's caused maybe more crashes that we don't know about very well good I for one will not be visiting what is the weirdness we have because we're swiveling on the chairs that's coming up with stuff to say I don't want to end what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:17

I don't know it just reminds me of when we were in the uh escape rooms and we would just literally just swivel on the chairs all day we would have what eight shots of coffee in the space of an hour. He's looking at him like why are you not dead yet? It's just a picture of Malachi my 18 month old peering around a corner looking super creepy. Um anyway detour over that is the story of Annabelle I really want to do a whole episode on the Warrens properly and maybe some of their other cases but it sounds like they're a bit weird so although maybe we've covered all of the Warrens they're not really much more to cover. No I did try and find some more on the Warrens and I didn't really find much more the main thing that I found on them was their cases. Mm-hmm I think we're also we want to cover the um some local stuff as well to us in Cornwall which would be fun. Um and maybe some I really want to do some past lives one because that would be fun. Yeah I like the the the bo little boy that pr that found his murderer. Oh yes and there was I remember years ago it's gonna take me a while to find it because it was fucking years ago but there was a little boy who um claimed that he was a pilot in the war and the his parents were like give it all away oh yeah okay but yeah he he was like also we're in limited time with the microphone. That is true. So we should really Yeah we'll do some past lives because I am currently waiting to hear back from somebody on TikTok to see if I can use their stories. So if you're listening I have sent you a message. Please answer me because it's a very interesting story that I have been following for a while on my own account. So please do. Yes. She's probably not even listening. Probably not we will also should do a listener story too because I was supposed to do it today and I was supposed to do it last week because Mummy got distracted um about this guy on TikTok who is currently um experiencing some weird supernatural shit. Ooh and he has given me permission to tell his story. Well maybe and he's got some bits that um he hasn't put on his TikTok. Well anyone who's listening how about you get in touch with us give us some listener episodes and maybe we'll do the listener episode next week. Yeah um what's best to you what email although you don't you never check the emails. I d no I get them I just don't you just don't delete the spam. Yeah I don't okay so I'm the one who puts in through the spam I I d I see an email if it's spam I leave it. Yeah I then have to go in delete it because I get all the notifications on my phone drives me nuts. Yeah but it is so annoying deleting stuff. Delete it every time you see it well anyway if you have a listener story send it in through email which is the coldspot confession podcast at gmail.com or message us on TikTok which it will come in through as a request but we see that anyway so that we will answer you. Um or on Instagram or on Instagram or Facebook but basically I we know our Facebook for some reason is weird and it won't accept any messages. Does it not? I told you about this before when I was set when I was sorting out our social media I said Facebook's been weird. Oh really? Yeah I tried to upload it and it's like no someone else's podcast is already doing this and I was like that's my podcast. Thank you but that's mine. And then after I done that I just started uploading it again. I was like well it's done some weird reset but oh okay well at least on YouTube. Yeah at least that's working hardy ha because I was gonna say to the person who allowed us to the video um their story and I I was gonna say we're on YouTube as well and then I remembered that our YouTube wasn't working properly. We are in the I'm glad that it's working properly now. It is so I can start telling people we are on YouTube. We're on everything again. Whoop whoop we sold at the baloous uh yeah and if you're listening let us know what you're actually listening from whether like it's Spotify, Amazon. Yeah we had someone saying they come from TikTok. That was so cute. I love that I love getting messages when we know where you can found us as well. Yeah because then it also helps us know what's working what's working and what's not do you know what would work if we actually posted I know I know if we actually posted a video like I keep meaning to do it and I'm like I forgot to do a video today. I just completely forget like I don't even think about uploading the video until it's like I'm scrolling through TikTok at like two o'clock in the morning I'm like oh yeah we have a TikTok yeah I should really post on that I've been putting on my other one trying to get this um these books videos done but once it's done my focus is going back on there yeah and I'm going to be posting more so if anyone wants Mandela ones everyone seems to love Mandela videos I also want to do just random facts like creepy things because why not? But let us know what you want to hear. We just want to know everything. Yeah we tell us everything stuff information we need information so we cannot use the information to actually make videos because we're tell us we are going to start recording as soon as well once I move filming you mean you're still recording yeah but we are currently recording so you mean filming but we're also recording our faces via film so yeah we will be filming once I move we're gonna make a little podcast studio in my new kitchen. Yeah and it's gonna look super cute. Tell them about your little thing with the estate agents because last week we were saying how shit they all were and the fact that your landlord was trying to force you to stay here more often. Yeah I don't know though because last week maybe I didn't cut it out I cut out a lot of it because I realized I was disclosing where I was moving. Yeah I know I kinda noticed that while you're doing it and I was like are you aware that you're disclosing where you're going to be I was like I probably shouldn't do that. Yeah. So I don't know how much I said but basically I got a section 21 and I had to move out but now Amelano was being an asshole well actually this day agent's been an asshole saying you can't move past your due date um your rent date because I gave my so you were planning on moving anyway. Yeah I was planning on moving then I got a section 21 and then the day I was going to say that we're moving is what the day I got the section 21. Yeah which was a day late though because I you was if I was to give my notice it should have been the day before so then my estate agents were like you're not allowed to move because you gave it in a day late. Yeah so you have to stay until June. You have to stay until June and pay another 1400 pounds. Yeah um and yeah and then I spoke to a professional and she said actually no bitch those fuckers are wrong because I had my notice in after section 21 was given to us um that they legally can't make us stay. So haha you fuckers so that's a little rundown of that yeah anyway that was a long time to say goodbye. Yeah and talk about it just always sum up everything we um we yeah we just want to know what you guys want us to talk about next time or the time after or whatever whatever you guys are interested let us know um but yeah if you want to get in contact in contact with us it's the cardspot confessions podcast at gmail.com or you can follow us on TikTok which is the callsport confessions pod and then everything else is the coldspot confessions podcast yeah if you message us on Coldsport Confessions podcast on TikTok we won't get it yeah we won't look bookers that's our old account so our current account is coldspot confessions pod yeah because we've got shadow banned of that bitch yeah anyway thank you so much guys for listening um and we will see you next week see you next week bye bye bye